There has been a slight change in the format of the CFX Heavyweight Tournament, and now only the opening round match ups will take place tomorrow night. The winners of the opening round fights will be matched up in the semi-finals at CFX5 on Sept 12, and the winners on Sept 12 will fight for the CFX Heavyweight Title on November 7. All fights are 3 rounds, 5 minutes per round.
Here are the opening match ups:
Lee Beane (Wai-Kru) vs. Luke Corona (Bombsquad)
Juliano Coutinho vs. Pat Bennett (Bombsquad)
Jason Dolloff (Rumford Hardcore) vs. Artie Mullin (MMA of Southern Maine)
Josh Watson (AMMA) vs. Christian Berrios
I don’t have team names for Coutinho and Berrios, so please post them if you have ‘em.
i wanna see watson fight beane…
i’m not sure what team he’s representing, but Juliano “Banana” Coutinho is a black belt who runs a Renzo Gracie affilliate on the cape.
i haven’t seen him fight, but his ground game is gonna be several level’s above everybody else in the tournie.
I’ve heard of “Banana”, and his BJJ prowess….Is this his first mma fight?
juliano “quicksand”coutinho aka bannanna !
bannanna has a danial gracie school down cape . the juliano coutinho compatition team . he is a great guy and a great teacher. he is also a freind of cccfa . a lot of people train at both schools. mike “loco lobo ” gresh also teaches an mma class at banannas school. juliano has good training in stand up “if needed” but i dont see anyone in this tourny that can beat him on the ground.
this is his first fight in mma though he has taken gold at nagga and the americana’s. he should be able to wave the first fight gitters.
i think he will end up the cfx heavy weight champ. just my humble opinion.
good luck bananna see you at the fights !!!
the hammer
Best of luck to all the fighters tonight, no disrespest to any of the competitors, but my picks early were Beane vs. Watson in the finals, there are few who can hang with those two, although that was before I knew banana was fighting, could be anyones night. A very special good luck to my pal Large Angry guy, stay safe. – Hey Micheal, Bruno said something about November? Huh?
How is it going to work with Watson? He’s fighting Travis Bartlett at 205 in 4 weeks, and assuming he wins tonight, round 2 would be 2 weeks after. So he’s fighting 3 times in 6 weeks, with his fight on Aug 29 at 205…that sounds like a brutal schedule.
Im ready for the challenge. Just want to say thank you to everyone who came down to watch me fight and to everyone at the Academy that helped me get ready and who will keep doing so for the weeks ahead. Also wanted to thank Chessgame fight gear, Northeast Chop Shop, Hell on Earth. Rave X, and Portland Hardcore. And a special thanx to Stan and everyone at the Parisi speed school for getting me healthy and back in the cage.
STRENGTH PUNISHES…….
Fuck CFX. Cancel a show because the ring was too slippery with 7 fights left? How about Matt Perry who trained his ass off for tonight getting fucked. Prepare better for conditions if you want an outdoor show. I will personally fight to make sure CFX can’t ruin another show for fight fans again. I don’t even care about the money I WASTED by paying to go to this show. I just hope no other consumer gets screwed ever again. Fuck CFX.
did refunds go out?
Mike Varner,
would you like to comment?
Pikes did you bring a trash bag? Varner said rain or shine, and if you dont like it bring a trash bag. well,, how did that work out CFX?
Looks like free beers on 3rd base wont be enough to fix this screw-up.
All the fluff, all the bullshit, & all you’re left with is a bunch of disappointed people and a slip ‘n slide.
ef i told gary a while ago that the only fight i would take was a rematch with you. i was not happy as i didnt think i did my best . your game was better ,you won . but like you and morecraft you were happy to get another shot. i was content with not fighting any more as i herd rumers that you were done after morecraft. ” that was befor your fight with him” i talked to gary about bike parking at the saturday event and he said he talked to your people and they said that you would do a rematch in november . i at that point started training and spreading the word ! i think i can beat you ! i would love the chance to prove it if you dont want it i under stand.why try again if you already got lucky!?lol…….
the hammer
fix what. 16 fights went off thats more than most shows ever do. looks to me who the real shady people are. YOU, the ones speeking out against pulling the plug on the show. Since day one that I have been getting in the ring and talking I have always spoke on fighter safety. It looks like I was being the stand up guy and living by my word. I can live with what fools want to say but I cant live with putting fighters at risk to make a buck.
now my take on the night. it was great lots of good fights ,lots of people and balloons and fireworks….. i would be happy to take my famly to this event .great ares for the fighters to warm up ,great show.
now the bad news . i think the last fair fight i saw was the lee been fight . after that the fights should be juged no contest. the ring was a slip and slide . i only stayed for three more fights and i think that in at least 1 mabee 2 fights the results would have been the same , the conditions were not safe or fair. as this was a tourny and the fighters recoreds are at stake any fight after lea should be a do over and the results should be striken from the pro books.
look it happened its over now its about how to fix it!! a fighter cant be held responsible for the conditions of the equiptment that is suplied by the event .
lets make this right !!
the hammer
Domickbitch. to answer your question rain or shine. we had a canopy ready if it was to rain. No rain no canopy. Being this was a first for mass with an outdoors event the condisation was absolutly an over site.But this shit will happen when your a production going to new hights.
These fighters will come and fight another day.and Dominick you are truley a bitch. I cant believe you emailed me personaly on my myspace and said you would rather have watched the rest of the fights even if imeant a fighter getting hurt if he slipped in the cage.
Thats some shaddy shit!!!!! I can take all the shit you can dish out but you can never argue with it being the right call for the fighters best interest
True or false – a promotion so concerned with fighter safety used a fighter under suspension in NH because of a KO
how did you guys not plan for this. I love the reverse in blame in Varners soap box speach, hahahaha very funny. There are plenty of other shows this month, I’m sure the 14 or so fighters can get with them to fight if wanted.
CFX made the right call. I know it stinks that fights did not happen, but that fighting surface was not safe. Not only that, but it would not have been fair for the fighters, or the fans, for the card to continue. Having been in the cage all night I can say this without any reservation. As the humidity rose, the floor became slicker than ice. The staff tried many times to dry the mat but you can’t fight the weather. There were fights where the floor was dried very well, only to be unsafe minutes later. It got to the point where fighters could not execute any proper movement without falling down. Not only that, but on the ground there was zero traction as well. This made essential moves such as bucking and bridgeing(sp) impossible. It was obvious to anyone watching the fights that fighters could not perform anywhere close to their abilities. Not only that, but many fighters could not properly defend themselves solely because of the condition of the floor. This was one of the toughest calls that a promotion could make, but they made the right one. I truly feel that, had that show continued, there would have been a unacceptable risk of serious, career ending injuries such as torn ligaments or worse.
From what I understand, all fighters got their show money, regardless of wether or not their fight happened. I know that seems like a no brainer, but we all know that have been some promoters who would not even do that.
The real shame is that this should not be what this show was all about. To those in attendance, this production brought MMA to another level. They reached, what appeared to me, the largest audience ever in New England. The venue was fantastic, and the fans were treated to 16 great fights. I hope that people realize how much of a risk was taken to attempt an outdoor event and what a great show it was until the weather got involved. Tickets usually say “fight card subject to change” and in this case it did.
I am very pleased that the promoters at CFX made the extremely tough decision to place fighter safety first and do the right thing.
Biggie that would be true. I’m sure they did but wanted to ask, the fighters that didn’t get to fight still got paid I hope, and if there was a win bonus then it should have been split. Any fighter that didn’t fight, can you answer this? Thanks
ok Varner,
If i so called personally emailed you through myspace, (Which i dont even have one) then you should have no problem providing the proof of the email? take a picture of the computer screen and link it somewhere for us all to see. because anyone can write a nasty letter and sign it Dominic.
So to those who questioned my “risks” of an outdoor show. Varner, KAvery, etc. now you know the risks of an outdoor show. Instead of a sincere apology from CFX the finger is pointed at us…the fans, the supporters of MMA. We didnt screw up CFX, and dont cry poor mouth or the fact that your a new show and its your first outdoor event.
If you want to pump your shit so high, and come off as the most professional ,well run, more to offer show in town than prove it and refund these people that came to see the last 7 fights, generally the “best” fights of the night. Do the right thing Commish. Dont take the people’s money and walk away hoping time will heal, Be a man and own up to your ignorance and pay these people what they deserve.
Mr Kane, well said.
Giving the conditions I feel the promotion handled everything professionally. Before the show was even called off some of the five or six remaining fights were offered their show money if they didn’t want to fight based on the conditions. The venue was packed and well set-up. The warm-up area was large enough to hold more then enough fighters, corners, teammates, family, and friends. I know as fighter waiting to almost midnight, it sucks, but in the long run this was the best decision. Just one final thing I, when my teammate and I showed up at the hotel and was told there was no rooms left and we were not on the list. Gary got on the phone and made it happen. How, I don’t know, but the he took care of it.
Kym Sturdivant
American Fight Team
I think they made the right call. You dont want fighters to get injured due to the mat getting wet from humidity.
But, You know that rain was going to be a factor here. albeit it was the rain from the day before but, the rain was still a factor. Had Varner not post “Bring your trashbag, we’re going on rain or shine” maybe people wouldnt be so angry? How is it that a promoter can be so vile and rude to his own customers? are you the soup nazi?
I.C.E. and Manny Nieves are thrilled to hear the news….
CFX just replaced them as worst promotion
fighter safety, what a joke. all night people where saying that everything had to be done by midnight.
the cage had been an ice skating rink for hours then they coincidentally call the fights at 12:05.
i asked one of the security guys and he said they where supposed to lock the doors at midnight.
I think CFX did everything they could at the time.
They didn’t prepare properly for the rain but its to late to point the finger.
what is left to do now is just make it right. I enjoyed the show up to the halfway point when guys started slipping on the mat. Lots of questions start to arise, is it safe? being the #1. I didnt like how Mike Varner made light of the situation when he went on the mic. i found it unprofessional. Fighters could have seriously been injured, and making light of it was unprofessional.
The pro’s were the attendance was good, maybe 3000-3500 people.
We did get about 16 fights in
the con’s, well i felt like the atmosphere was a bit unnerving. some of the people in the stands were very restless and screaming obsenities, some fights occured and people taken away. one woman was hit with a bottle.
obviously the mat was wet and at one point unable to stand on.
In Conclusion, i think CFX did a decent job. they gave us 16 fights.
like i said to start they should make it right. maybe a reduced rate show to those who bought tickets and couldnt see the fights they came to see? Make tickets half price to the next show. I think security needs a lot of help. the atmosphere was the worst i had seen in years. maybe just my section but i moved around mostly. Just seeing a woman get hit with a bottle was just terrifing. I hope the person who threw it got caught.
I’ve made it clear I don’t like Varner very much and Gary and Linda are guilty be asociation so I guess I don’t care for them either but putting that aside I been to many show by many promoters and I enjoy the shows the most were it’s really looked at like a sport and not worry about whats going on around me in the crowd. 16 fights in but it sounds like many of them weren’t what they could of been do to the problems. To the woman that got hit, you can sue if you got hurt. The owners of the field as well as cfx, just an FYI for you.
If the fighters were slipping in the cage, the fights should have been called off. I think they obviously made the right call at that point, but I can see where everyone is coming from. Many fans don’t care about the number of fights…many people show up to watch their friend/training partners fight, then leave. It sucks for guys like Matt Perry who hadn’t fought in a while and didn’t get to fight, and it sucks for his fans that don’t give a shit about any fight but his, and they never got to see it.
It would have sucked worse if he fought and tore his knee up because of the bad footing, but that’s not the issue.
A post above kinda gave a different look like they were just using that cause they ran over and if it waqs really for safty then they would have called much eariler. 12:05 to stop the show is kinda late in the night. I’m sure there had to be a time they needed to leave.
Here’s the post I’m talking about
punch-drunk
on Aug 2nd, 2009
@ 10:38 AM:
fighter safety, what a joke. all night people where saying that everything had to be done by midnight.
the cage had been an ice skating rink for hours then they coincidentally call the fights at 12:05.
i asked one of the security guys and he said they where supposed to lock the doors at midnight.
Does anyone have results of the amatuer fights and the first couple of pro fights that went off. A coulpe of my friends were fighting but I live too far away to go.
Thanks
Now that I’m a little less drunk, let me try this again.
This is exactly why outdoor MMA shows will never be a good idea. Kudos for trying to be creative, but fact of the matter is, MMA isn’t an outdoor sport.
CFX did put on a great show. Fights were great, atmosphere was great, very well put together. To the average fan, there’s not much to be mad about. But to the fighters who trained their asses off and were told last second “Sorry, go home” and all the people that bought tickets to see these fighters? A lot of people got screwed. I had so many friends there who had never been to any MMA show go to see Matt, pay $45-$65 for tickets, for nothing. Over a hundred people, who will never go to another show ever again, even if our friend is fighting.
I’m all for fighter safety and for that I agree that the fights needed to stop, but bottom line is, the situation shouldn’t have arisen. We should have been at a Plymouth Memorial Hall, or a Holiday Inn, where the fighters are guaranteed to fight.
im very glad to here the fights were stoped ! that was the right thing to do. i saw a lot of good fights and the night was great . the decision to stop will never be the popular one but better safe then sorry. i even i cant control mother nature.though given half a chance i would probaly try. gary and linda are great people and realy try to take care of the fighters. they had the tough call to stop the event. it will probaly have some bad press , but if you talk to the fighters involved im sure they will give you first hand info on how they feel and were taken care of.
im sure the fighters will be satisfied.
the hammer
I feel like something should be done to right the situation with guys like Perry who had a ton of fans there who paid to see HIM fight… You should be able to turn your ticket stub from last night into Perry and get a ticket for the next show… work something like that out…
Overall though as much as I’d like to hate on it because of not getting to see the guy I paid to see , you knew the event was a huge risk being outdoors, and good for Varner for putting it together and putting his company in the hands of the weather, if you cut 10 of those fights out of the middle of the card it would have pretty much gone off without a hitch.
Calling the fat drunk dude trying to fight you into the cage at the end of the night was a little bizarre though…
I don’t think people went there for nothing. they saw a good show. They saw 16 plus fights, fireworks show music. They got there moneys worth. It is disappointing that they didn’t get to see there friend fight, but sometimes things happen. if the doc didn’t let someone fight for some reason, would the friends want there money back. The cards are always subject to chance.
Ryan P know one knows how hard your job is. I will help you anytime you need it. Thanks for all the tips.
there was n o time limit on the show, just on the music.
Dominick, please keep your commenbts regarding the show to me personaly and not on my myspace. Rainman, how did I make light of the matter. Some fat bum in the adiuance yells out to”,get the piece of shit out of the cage and bring another one in” only shows my love for the fighters.
So I bring him up and make a fool out of him in front of his friends
The ‘you got 16 fights argument’ is weak. People go to the local shows because they either know the guy fighting, or because of good main event match ups (up and coming fighters etc).
It’s unfortunate for everyone. So is Perry going to be fighting on the next Full Force show?
So,
With the last 7 fights canceled and none of those fighters receiving a win purse CFX must have an extra few thousand dollars in their pockets.
Wonder what they’ll do with that cash?
Would they want their money back? If Matt had something medically wrong and couldn’t fight, no. If his opponent backed out, no. If the promotion themselves didn’t plan for all conditions and screwed over Matt? Yes.
I personally don’t care about the money. Just hoping there’s never an outdoor event again.
The only Fool that night was you Mike Varner (Massachusetts Deputy Commissioner). You put on a show, made money off your fighters that didn’t even fight and you turn your back on them. Most fighters need that money, depend on that money. You gave them show money. so what? $500? so if i trained for months, cut 10-15lbs, sold 100 tickets and my fight was canceled because YOU didn’t prepare for this you’d think that was worth $500?
Do you then have the balls to ask these fighters to come back to your shit show?
Half of those fighters would have won their fights and been paid a win purse, why wasn’t that money distributed amongst all the fighters? why did you pocket their hard earned money Mike Varner? Would the Boxing Commission approve of that? Are they not in place for this very reason. don’t they protect the fighters physically and financially? WTF?
Your Bruce Marshall
I’m still waiting for that link to your myspace where i wrote you personally? Take a picture Mike, send it to photobucket and post the link, let us all see what a dick i am. Have you not had a few hrs now to make up a fake Dominic Kane myspace yet with a bunch of friends?
your a joke Mike Varner haha i laugh at you.
Clown FX
Troung over Stone
Irving over Robinson
Armstrong over Ames
Douglas over Lyon
Smith over Mangliano
Baker over Menslage
Chaupette over Kavy
Dunn over Young
Clarke over Roberts
Oteri over Puntunto
Beane over Corona
Dolloff over Mullen
Watson over Berrios
Bennett over Cutinho
Warriner over Rivera
Rockwell over Rivera
Chattelle over Dick
THat is what I have from memory. Hopefully I didn’t mess any of them up.
I have a fight for Matt Perry in the GFL if he wants it.
ok, seriously…I think you’re taking your hate for Varner a little too far Dom. To act like CFX stole money from the fighters is pretty lame.
I agree,
I seriously doubt that CFX has any intentions of “stealing” money from the fighters. Sounds like they put on a good show, just ran into some condensation problems. I heard a lot of people showed up and it was the largest crowd we’ve had around here so thats awesome! They’re doing a lot of things right.
Dominic sounds like a former disgruntled employee or something. Relax hombre.
Who took photos of the show so I know what site to keep checkin? Anyone know exactly what is going on with any footage of me and Mark Chuapetta? Mark I enjoyed the 1 minute and 30 seconds we spent together.
I was really hoping this thread would be a little more entertaining. It’s a long boring drive from Wildwood
Mike Varner at it again….
If I were Mike, I would just avoid the internet for the next year and keep my mouth shut because OBVIOUSLY its not working
Varner if you think you were involved with another shit show give me a “HELL YEAH”. Everytime you speak at an event, you take the event down a notch. I have been to two CFX shows and they both sucked. People go to shows to see good fights, not fireworks, not a shit cover band, not a shit version of this countrys National Anthem(by the way great job hiding the flag until half way through) and def. not to hear your ass say the same shit you have been saying for the last five years. Give it up! If you cut out all the extra “fluff” maybe all the fights would have happened. Great job on finding someone to fight Watson! Watson is a good fighter and you put that kid in front of him, thats just disrespectful. I paid eighty dollars to sit 100 feet away from the cage, luckily the security was shit and let everyone on the grass stand on thier seats, so i got to stare at that jumbotron the size of my television which was convinently placed four hundred feet away. Linda, lose Varner. Mike, give me a “HELL YEAH”!!!
Over 3,000 people attended? Wow that is really impressive, that makes this the second biggest local show to the WCF, unless I’m mistaken.
Hopefully they come back with a better backup plan if it rains, mma and brockton are made for each other.
I would like to add my two cents if I may. I very rarely blog and don’t like to get wrapped up in the juvenile end of this website but enough is enough with the bitching. Yes is really sucks to have missed your fight and being one of the fighters who was able to go early I am blessed and if I was cancelled especially having my cause on the line I would have been a little bummed but a torn acl or groin would have hurt much worse. What Gary, Linda, and Varner did in my opinion was without any malice and for your protection and with anything in life you face risks. They wanted to set a high standard for a sport that deserves it period! They had the balls to take a risk knowing that it could fail spending I am sure much of there own money or profit into making this night memorable. I am sure that they are suffering today becuase they do care about the fighters the fans and the business which is not an easy balancing act .Shit I felt like a superstar last night especially when I first walked in as it was like walking into Fenway for the first time as a kid. It was pretty electric. Now with regards to Varner who you all know helped train me and I have nothing but good things to say about his character and ethics. Does he feed into this bs to much when he shouldn’t yes indeed and I tell him this daily but the man cares and he wants what is best for this sport as does Gary and Linda. We just need to chill becuase this sport needs unity and with that everyone will prosper in the end I am sure. Call me niave bias out of touch but it is only my opinion. Congrats to all the fighters who trained there asses off win or loose.
Joe Kavey I wanted to thank you for taking the fight and for being a class act with me and my children. Please if you have any questions shoot me an email at otminv@aol.com
any one ask why so many fights? could the cancellation have been avoided by not having so many fights scheduled? I mean fighter ticket sales are one thing but really was that many necessary, especially having to start late cause the doctor could not be found, and such long pauses between all the matches with no information about what was going on. And the fighters seemed to take a long time to come out between matches.
I mean as a consumer paying for a couple tickets and being with my friends as well who dished out the cash, there was just way to many amature fights and the fight whould have been just great with what a normal show should have.
It doesnt have to be the biggest to be the best. Too many peopple who were sitting around me were getting restless because it seemed to drag on and on.
Ive been to a few shows in the past but never a CFX show, and always had a great time, I was excited because I heard they have been having great shows and wanted to be part of it myself, even though the place looked big and full and rowdy, it was dull and so repeditive, no entertainment like i was told about.
Maybe trying to be to big to fast? who knows. I will go to another show to see if they vindicate themselves with the fans, fighters, vendors, and staff.
All in all not my favorite local show.
Can we stop the “good of the sport” horseshit? Any time someone has a complaint, someone whips out that card. Linda and every other promoter are in it to make money & gain exposure for their product. Any positive effects they have on the sport is just coincidence.
The people truly trying to advance the sport are guys like Kevin, Ryan Parker, & Joe Esposito. No fireworks, no profit, no soapboxes – just years invested into the sport.
22 fights are awesome, but let’s call a spade a spade – 90% of CFX fights are total mis-matches. Maybe it’s the closed-door “weigh-ins” for a certain school accounting for the discrepancies. Certain individuals with delusions of grandeur, have chosen MMA to facilitate these fantasies. When attached to someone with some cash, some cool, but short-lasting things can happen. Look at the history of the pet rock or Ring of Fury to see where this is going.
Well put Biggie, I guess the model CSX has been using has been to focus on having more fighters (who can sell tickets) over putting together high quality match ups the local fight fan will want to watch. I understand why they do this ($$), how many times have you been to a show and more than half the crowd has left because they only came to see their buddy fight?
It WAS a long drive back from Wildwood.
“True or false – a promotion so concerned with fighter safety used a fighter under suspension in NH because of a KO”
Is this true?
I have a fighter under a short suspension that would desperately like to fight before his three months are up. Out of respect for the AC and the doctor, who has four more years of medical school than I and countless year of experience, I would never allow such a move.
How does that even work? Is a promotion’s insurance alright with a fighter engaging in hand to hand combat when a doctor has said he can’t?
John Fain— Put your money where your mouth is and tell us who the fighter is and show some proof that was done..
I think he’s referring to Travis Lerchin who is suspended indefinately here in NH but I could be wrong. hey varner, you still think my comment about footing was stupid? you should listen to even the lowest of low annonymous douchebags cause I hate to say “toldja soooo”.
what’s this closed-door weigh in accusation biggie? I’d really like to hear more about that. This site needs some new scandelous drama.
I checked out the ASC show in NH. It was pretty damn good. Sorry to all the suckers who paid for cage farce xtreem tickets. LOL!!!
I know someone who knows someone who knows someone who smokes crack and he said homeboy gets his shit from steve dunn. That’s awseome! their big ticket seller is a cracK-dealer. What a crowd that must have been. I’m surprised someone didn’t get a shank.
kavery39—–I’m sorry if you have a comprehension problem, reread my post. Someone on here made that claim not me. I asked if it was true.
I don’t have proof because I don’t even know who the fighter is! That should be clear since I asked, “Is this true?”
I was referring to Shawn Baker, who was under suspension when he fought on the 6/20 card. But, as MDR pointed out, they also used Lerchen while he was under suspension.
Thanks Biggie
Hey John, Kiss my ass and let me show you who has a fucking comprehension problem.
Yeesh.
Dear Ken,
I have made two posts in the last two months and both times you followed and spewed your ignorant negativity. The last time was when I announced Dennis Olson Fighting Ricardo Funch on a story honoring Dennis as NE MMA’s May 2009 fighter of the month. Do you have an issue with me, Dennis, my school?
Dennis has a story in the Union Leader and in the online version he received negative feedback. You know who backed him up and wrote about the respect he has for Dennis? Tom Moreau! It’s lucky for Tom that he possesses the class by which his academy is judged and not you.
You don’t have to show me anything. Do you need to communicate with your fists? I don’t teach that at my academy nor do I condone it (Dennis is the exception, sorry Varner). Even with the Dennis/Varner online fiasco, I asked Dennis to let it go and he did.
Go ahead call me names, threaten me, and tell me how bad of a person I am because I’m a child and family therapist that dedicates his life to the well being of disadvantaged kids. My many years as a therapist have taught me tolerance which is why I have sympathy for a grown man with the coping skills of a 15 year old.
That goes for you too Dennis:)
First of all John, I didn’t put a negative remark about Dennis fighting Ricardo, I stated that I didn’t think he was ready for that type of fight yet. Dennis is a tough young fighter with a lot of potential, Ricardo is a more mature fight at this stage of his career. That’s all I’m saying. The reason i got mad was because people come on here and put down CageFx mostly because of Mike Varner and that is not fair to the other people within the organization, especially the fighters who go out there and give it their all and then have to put up with negative remarks about the organization they fight for, I feel that’s bullshit and a lot of these remarks are based on past history with certain people. As for possessing the class you speak of, have a conversation with me and you will see what class is.. I’m not on here to start a fights, but respect should be given to CageFX abd it’s fighters.
Since when does an organization have anything to do with its fighters? Most fighters will fight for several promotions. Perry, Beane, and the Real JC are all my buddies, am I disrespecting them? No, I’m criticizing an organization that failed to use a little common sense. Instead of admitting a glaring mistake in judgement, their chosen mouthpiece makes light of the situation and tries to spin it with CFX being the good guy.
What are those fighters suspended from nh for? How do you get suspended as an amature?
I thought sat, was interesting. I dont understand why there were so many amature fights, and Mis-matches, . I think they should have canned the amature fights and allowed the Bigger fights to happen(ex. Perry,Galano,Silva etc,) for the fans sake.
Why wouldnt you use a canvas mat for an outdoor event? wouldnt that have made the humidity less of an issue? do they even make canvas flooring for cages? idk remember the mat in the wfl ring? I think that would have been a good material for cfx4
despite the outcome of the show kudos to cfx for trying to do an outdoor show in NE.
i found pictures here:
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/9098322_g35VF#608115440_Qz4cr
State boxing or athletic commissions have access to mixedmartialarts.com, the official MMA database for the Association of Boxing Commissioners (ABC). When a fighter is suspended by a State athletic commission, and the commission uploads that information to the database, it is available for other State commissioners to view. Other State commissions will honor the suspension of other states’ commissions and not allow suspended fighters form other states to compete in their states. MA does not have a commission that overseas MMA, so I guess it is safe to say that promoters have been “self regulating” the sport of MMA in MA. The expectation is that promoters will honor the suspensions of other States’ commissions, and not allow suspended fighters to compete on their cards. Likewise, if a fighter competes in MA and ends up being KO’d or something that would otherwise result in a suspension in a regulated state, promoters should not allow that fighter to compete in their show (especially in a show in MA where there is no regulatory body). It is a matter of safety.
One of the suspensions being discussed on this thread had to do with a fighter who had been knocked out in a show in NH. A KO in NH results in an automatic suspension of 60 days, regardless if the fighter was a pro or amateur fighter. That fighter appeared on a subsequent MMA show while he was still suspended. This is dangerous for the fighter, and in my opinion de-legitimzes the sport of MMA. Basically what I am saying is that it is a dangerous and stupid thing for promoters to use fighters that they know are suspended in their shows.
I find it very ironic that these guys are the ones talking about fighter safety and we’ve all heard them get on their soapbox about how good they are for the sport and how bad certain other shows are for the sport, yet they seem to be the only show not following the rules. I bet if it was untamed or afo using a suspended fighter we’d have a shatload of comments from the deputy boxing commissioner about how they’re breaking the rules and they need to be shut down before they do something to get the sport as a whole shut down. I’m surprised that the most vocal guy in local MMA is the one breaking the rules so blatantly.
Agreed,
But If you have a strong Pimp hand in this business apparently you can sign any fights you want within your promotion. Only those promotions who uphold the other states rules are those that will succeed in this era of MMA.
The Pimp hand is very strong in the CFX
Biggie > Varner
Hagopian CFX
I am in agreement with the statement about how 16 fights happening is a plus blahdee blahdee blah being bullshit because Lee Beane’s friends didn’t come to see 15 of those fights…Matt Perry’s fans came to see MATT PERRY…What is even the attraction to an outdoor MMA event anyway?
Honestly, if the weather was great and it was a success, what makes the outdoor event better than the indoor event with the same success rate? The same fights happen, the same outcomes of each fight, the same referees are there, the same judges, the same fans…Only there’s a sun lighting the cage instead of lights. Riddle me that…I am willing to bet that all of those people that bought tickets to see their guys would have bought tickets, regaurdless if it were indoors or outdoors. I know my friends wouldn’t care where I fought, they’d still go.
Indoors > Outdoors
that’s not what i typed…i typed at the top…
Biggie (is greater than) Varner
Hagopian (is less than) Everyone
Reality Fighting (is greater than) CFX
Matt “The Riddler” Bessette
…I’m not sure, but seeing as the CFX event in NH was back in April and Baker fought in August, his 60 day suspension was over…
I’m not 100% sure what fighter people are talking about but Baker did fight on CFX3 after being KO’d on CFX2, and there were 56 days in between those two events. Not sure why this is just coming up now. Is that the particular incident that people are talking about, or was there another?
I don’t know if you guys heard anything about Sat. Nov. 7th yet but Joe Cuff and REALITY FIGHTING is setting up some sick fights a potential card of the year event at Plymouth Memorial Hall. I’m sure the fighters won’t have to worry about getting their fights canceled that night
See this is the bullshit I’m talking about. JFITTS you’re a dick to make comments like that. All the people on here talk about making MMA well known not only with the fighters, but also the promotions. What I see mostly on here is the bashing of one promotion to make others look positive. How the hell is that good for the sport of MMA? Shouldn’t we as fighters support all the promotions that put on local fights as long as we get paid and are treated well? The only person I can see that should be put through the ringer was that Bruce Marshall guy who screwed everyone over. We as fighters should be lucky there are so many good promotions here locally and continue to support all of them and not bash certain ones for the benefit of another.
I see one problem with the mixedmartialarts database. Only State Commissioners can access the portion of the database that provides suspension information. It would be useful if promoters could be provided suspension information from the “stats” section. That way they could use that resource to reduce the incidents of using suspended fighters.
Oh yeah and Bessette is less than the crap on the bottom of most people’s shoes.
Correction -
Promoters who register their fight cards at mixedmartialarts.com are provided suspension information.
How is it good for the sport when CFX books a show the same night and in the same city as Reality fighting? Does that seem good for the sport to you? That is not the first time CFX has done this either. I believe they did it to Untamed a couple of times.
isn’t it a conflict of interest to be a commissioner and a promoter?
the guy’s job would be to regulate his competition, and he’s made it very clear how he feels about some of his competition.
Mike is a deputy commissioner in boxing and a promoter in MMA…totally different sports. If he were to be on any mma commission, I would assume that would force him out of the promoter’s role, as it would be a direct conflict of interest.
I know you have to be licensed as a matchmaker, promoter and fighter, so I have to assume that anyone acting as part of the mma commission wouldn’t be allowed to be a licensed matchmaker, promoter or fighter.
that’s what cfx does, they try to invade on other fight promotions and they give away hundreds of tickets to get people to go to their show and take business away from the other *legit* promotions.
Kavery, why don’t you wake up and smell the bullshit. CFX is run by crooked-ass people. Varner is a self-admitted drug user/pusher. (how ironic he holds a public office job as a boxing depcom)
They purposly mis-match fights for their managed fighters own benefits.
They troll at other shows and solicit vendors and fighters.
By you defending them, you’re grouping yourself in with them.
I noticed Thaiguy has kept his mouth shut since the latest sham.
Maybe he’s finally seeing the light. He seems intelligent enough to know a failure when it’s evident.
They allow *select” fighters to cheat on weight and hold private weigh ins for those fighters.
They – not once – but twice- used suspended fighters even though they preach “fighter safety”. These people are no good. they are single-handedly making an MMA commission manditory for Mass….. oh wait one minute!! that’s it Kato! Varner is self destructing the local mma scene so a commission will be necessary and then he slips in to be “the chosen one” to oversee these events and he’ll get his kickback from Linda, and he’ll get to walk around with his badge on like he’s important. AAAAHHHH!! it unfolds.
call me a Conspiracy theorist.
A wise man once said “Varner, you’re a Bibby, boppin, booby, Blop!”
These Booby Blops are running a muck in the MMA community.
Fighters/Managers, educate yourself! Don’t fall for this bullshit CFX pulls. You are guilty by association if you fight for their shady promotion.
Think about it, does any other promotion receive bad press and have so much drama surrounding their fights, weigh-in’s, Matchmaker, promoters, contracted fighters, etc.
Speaking of other promotions. .. .. . Just for a sec, sorry to get off topic!
AFO’s next event is in a little less than 3 week. Aug 21st at the Sheraton Braintree Hotel. 17 planed fights with a 170 lb title fight between Paddy Thompson who is on a 3 fight win streak with a record of 8-2 (i think) and Mo McNeil who has won knock out of the night twice with us in the past year. Chris Traitti will also be on hand returning back from the boxing ring just 2 months. Fighters from USMMA, SSSF, Doomsday, Wai Crew (did I spel that wrong? sorry) LA Boxing and several other local area schools will be on hand. This show is also tied in with the American Cancer Society. Tickets have been on sale through the web site, fighters and will also be at the door. . . . . I also posted eariler that if any fighter who didn’t get to fight last weekend due to the stopage, feel free to contact us and if we can we’ll try to get you on……..Thats it, thanks -
A wiser man can admit when he is wrong.
I must say I feel foolish for supporting the CFX. I thought I saw potential and professionalism. Rather I’ve seen poor management, greed, and unethical decisions.
I’ve jumped off the bandwagon, I thought I saw something good yet I was made a fool for standing by them.
With the many other great promotions out there I will speak of them instead. I have been to the following shows Fullforce, WCF, GFL, Reality Fighting , Combat Zone, Bellator, Cage Fury, Battle Cage extreme, and even NAFL. I am an avid fight fan and have followed the MMA scene in New England quite a bit.
I’ve never seen nor heard such bad things of a promotion since Bruce Marshall owned Combat Zone.
Good luck to the Contracted CFX fighters and to the rest of the fighters I hope you find a new home in one of the promotions I listed above. (Minus cage fury and battlecage of course)
Cheers
I respect all the promotions out there. They all work hard to attract good fighters and put on a good show. I’m not saying Cagefx does more than the other promotions, but I have seen them get ready for a show and they work their ass off to put on a great promotion. I have also seen Dave George of Combat Zone get ready for a show and he works his ass off as well. What I’m saying is that most everyone in this business works hard for the fighters and the crowds. There is plenty of room in New England for multiple promotions and people should support all of them.
Ken, you called me a DICK for what I wrote. I admit it was a dick move to post that. Can you admit that it is a DICK move for CFX to book shows up against other shows. Not only that but pass out flyers for their shows at other peoples shows. And if you think that CFX is so “good for the sport” explain how moves like this are good for the sport???
Actually, no I don’t think it is bad for the sport and if you think Cage FX is the only one doing that type of stuff, I would have to say you are wrong. Aug 21st, there are 2 shows going off Combat Zone and AFO, AFO is on this thread promoting their show, is that wrong? I don’t think so, I feel they are doing what needs to be done to survive in business..
its not even up to use to say who is doing right and who is doing wrong. they are running their own shows. let the promoters do what they do and the strong will survive, that is just business. let the promotions succeed or fail on their own. it really sucks to hear all the negative aspects of some of these promoters. after reading some of these posts over the last few months it has really effected my views on the local fighting scene. i was going to shows every weekend right up until CFX3. since that show i havent been to another after hearing all the bashing and cross promoter BS. i train MMA and when my time comes to get my first fight i dont even know what promotion i would like to fight for. i will add i have not attended an AFO or GFL event.
Would everyone please check your facts before posting. First of all Travis Lerchen was removed from the suspension list and has been cleared to fight in any sanctioned or non sanctioned state. Second Shawn Baker was used in our June 20th show, but to our knowledge was never even notified he was suspended. We didn’t know he was on the list, we found out after he had fought on the night of our show. We would not have had him fight if we knew, and as Rick said he was only 4 days away from the end of his suspension. Fighter safety is number one for us as with most promotions. The best way to tell is to listen to the fighters that fight for them. These threads should be about the fighters, not the negativity. But some people feel there voices must be heard, and thats not a bad thing. Hey Ken we look forward to seeing you fight Shawn Galano on CFX 5 in Mansfield.
We never intentionally book a show on the same night as another promotion, especially in the same town. That would not be a good thing to do, it would make no sense. That would only hurt us. We do not look at what others are doing, we try to plan for what works for both CFX and the venue we are booking. We have respect for all other promotions, as we are all trying to give these great local fighters a stage for there skills.
You respect all promotions? Is that why when I go to another show I leave with your flyer on my car. Or the stories I hear of your group going to other shows recruiting fighters while their. That doesn’t sound like much respect to me. We talk, even the ones close to you talk and we have heard your group bash others plenty of times, just look at what your match maker has said on this forum about fans that gave you money which i’m glad I’m not one of.
I don’t want to take sides here, but many of the things people are yelling at CFX about have been done by others previously. The flyers on cars thing…that has been done by 2 different shows at WCF events and neither was CFX…I know because we had to clean up the mess after the cars left. ON top of that, I know of a couple shows that have done it in the past (not at WCF events, but at other shows) and nobody said anything because it was done by a show people liked. Nobody cared when promoters put flyers at Bruce Marshall run shows because they didn’t like Bruce and said he deserved it.
As far as the Travis Lerchen thing goes, not only is he off the suspension list (which was TOTAL BULLSHIT to begin with…he never should have been suspended) to my knowledge it was CFX who called the CT commission to help get Travis off the list. I heard they went down with a lawyer to clear the mess up. Is that true, Gary?
As far as booking dates close to, or on the same day as other shows…do you think anyone has any idea when other shows are? CFX had their dates posted here for the whole year, but my calendar got all banged up, so now I don’t have everything listed. I don’t think anyone intentionally does it…people are just so worried about their own shows that they don’t bother to check what everyone else is doing, and the info isn’t readily available…and to add one more twist to this arguement…have any of you tried to book a venue for fights? Do you think they have every weekend available? When we booked the Sept 26 WCF we were given 2 options…Sept 26, or Halloween. Not a single other date was open in between Sept 26 and Oct 31.
I try to stay out of most of this shit, but when it starts to look like everyone is looking for reasons to bitch about 1 group because you simply dislike them, I have to throw my 2 cents in. If you hate rockbands, and you think the band is the reason that the show ran long and ultimately was cut short…fine…say that. If you think their shows suck, fine. If you want to make fun of Varner for whatever he spelled wrong, fine. I really don’t regulate much on here, but you guys are bringing up things many others have been accused of.
Thank you Rick and thank you Gary for coming on here and setting things straight, Gary I am honored to fight Galano on Sept 12th. See you then,
rick, your a fucking kill-joy but you are probably right. lets try to vear away from the “voices of reason” people and stick to what really matters. Internet D-R-A-M-A.
but seriously
Flyering other events doesn’t seem all that bad to me. If I go to a sho then that show already got my money. Obviously I’m a fight fan so why wouldn’t I want to know when the next local show is? Nobody is bitching at Dino’s pizza for putting that “free pizza” coupon on their car. It’s just smart marketing. You’re hitting your exact demographic by flyering another show.
I think the right thing to do would be to contact the promoter of the event you want to flyer and see if they have a major problem with it. Unless your a real dickhed (ahem) I can’t see why it would matter other then cleanup problems like rick said — But in this day and age, people need jobs, so if theres flyers in a parking lot the clean up crew should be dancing and singing while they work!